KAL.NE - Revision history

Sushoff at 18:13, 26 March 2026

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	<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot know how this name is to be read; writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.		<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot know how this name is to be read; writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.

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	* DIŠ <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>KAL.NE IB<sub>2</sub>.TAG<sub>4</sub> RU ana 4 MUL<sub>5</sub>.ME šá <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>AŠ.IKU TE U URU GAM.ME		* DIŠ <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>KAL.NE IB<sub>2</sub>.TAG<sub>4</sub> RU ana 4 MUL<sub>5</sub>.ME šá <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>AŠ.IKU TE U URU GAM.ME
	** "If the star KAL.NE ... (and) approaches the 4 stars of the Field (var.: Stars - “stars” or “star cluster”?): the ruler of the city will die" [Hunger-Steele 2018<ref name=":1" />, 158-9].		** "If the star KAL.NE ... (and) approaches the 4 stars of the Field (var.: Stars - “stars” or “star cluster”?): the ruler of the city will die" [Hunger and Steele 2018<ref name=":1" />, 158-9].
	** The determinative mul<sub>5</sub> here ~~corresponds to~~ mul<sub>4</sub>.		** The determinative mul<sub>5</sub> here replaces the earlier transliteration mul<sub>4</sub>, to conform to [Borger 2003:505].
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Sushoff at 15:07, 22 January 2026

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	Authors: Gennady E. Kurtik, {{PAGEAUTHORS}}		Authors: Gennady Kurtik, {{PAGEAUTHORS}}, Euin Choung Kim
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	<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot know how this name is to be read; writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.		<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot know how this name is to be read; writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.

Sushoff at 07:40, 17 January 2026

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			Authors: Gennady E. Kurtik, {{PAGEAUTHORS}}
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	<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot know how this name is to be read; writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.		<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot know how this name is to be read; writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.
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Sushoff at 16:24, 17 December 2025

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	== Concordance, Etymology, History ==		== Concordance, Etymology, History<ref>[[Mesopotamian (All Terms)\|Planetarium Babylonicum 2.0]], All Skies Encyclopaedia.</ref> ==

	~~=== Kurtik with Hilder~~, ~~Hoffmann, Horowitz, Kim =~~==
	[Gössmann<ref>''Gössmann P.F''. Planetarium Babylonicum, Rom, 1950 (A. Deimel. Šumerisches Lexikon 4/2).</ref> 98]; the name occurs in prediction texts from EAE and in MUL.APIN.		[Gössmann<ref>''Gössmann P.F''. Planetarium Babylonicum, Rom, 1950 (A. Deimel. Šumerisches Lexikon 4/2).</ref> 98]; the name occurs in prediction texts from EAE and in MUL.APIN.
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InitTeam at 05:46, 7 October 2025

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	=== Kurtik with Hilder, Hoffmann, Horowitz, Kim ===		=== Kurtik with Hilder, Hoffmann, Horowitz, Kim ===
	[G. 98]; the name occurs in prediction texts from EAE and in MUL.APIN.		[Gössmann<ref>''Gössmann P.F''. Planetarium Babylonicum, Rom, 1950 (A. Deimel. Šumerisches Lexikon 4/2).</ref> 98]; the name occurs in prediction texts from EAE and in MUL.APIN.
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	* DIŠ <sup>mul</sup>UG<sub>5</sub>.GA ''ana'' <sup>ul</sup>KAL.NE TE SU.GU<sub>7</sub> GAL-''ši''		* DIŠ <sup>mul</sup>UG<sub>5</sub>.GA ''ana'' <sup>ul</sup>KAL.NE TE SU.GU<sub>7</sub> GAL-''ši''
	** "If the Raven approaches the star KAL.NE: there will be famine" [ACh Ištar, 24:9; ACh Suppl. 2, 81:3; MA, 134];		** "If the Raven approaches the star KAL.NE: there will be famine" [ACh Ištar<ref name=":0">''Ch. Virolleaud'', L'astrologie chaldéenne S(in); Shamasz; Isht(ar); Adad; S/Supp. = Supplément; SS / 2.Supp. = Second Supplément (Paris 1905 - 1912)</ref>, 24:9; ACh Suppl.<ref name=":0" /> 2, 81:3; MA<ref name=":1">Hunger, H. and Steele, J. M. (2019). The Babylonian Astronomical Compendium MUL.APIN, Routledge, NY</ref>, 134];
	** it is not clear which luminaries are referred to in this case.		** It is not clear which luminaries are referred to in this case.
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	* DIŠ <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>KAL.NE IB<sub>2</sub>.TAG<sub>4</sub> RU ana 4 MUL<sub>5</sub>.ME šá <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>AŠ.IKU TE U URU GAM.ME		* DIŠ <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>KAL.NE IB<sub>2</sub>.TAG<sub>4</sub> RU ana 4 MUL<sub>5</sub>.ME šá <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>AŠ.IKU TE U URU GAM.ME
	** "If the star KAL.NE ... (and) approaches the 4 stars of the Field (var.: Stars - “stars” or “star cluster”?): the ruler of the city will die" [Hunger-Steele 2018, 158-9].		** "If the star KAL.NE ... (and) approaches the 4 stars of the Field (var.: Stars - “stars” or “star cluster”?): the ruler of the city will die" [Hunger-Steele 2018<ref name=":1" />, 158-9].
	** The determinative mul<sub>5</sub> here corresponds to mul<sub>4</sub>.		** The determinative mul<sub>5</sub> here corresponds to mul<sub>4</sub>.
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	== ~~Dictionary~~ ==		== Concordance, Etymology, History ==

	=== Kurtik with Hilder, Hoffmann, Horowitz, Kim ===		=== Kurtik with Hilder, Hoffmann, Horowitz, Kim ===

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Sushoff at 15:53, 7 August 2025

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	<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot how this name is to be read writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.		<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot know how this name is to be read; writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.
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	* DIŠ <sup>mul</sup>UG<sub>5</sub>.GA ''ana'' <sup>ul</sup>KAL.NE TE SU.GU<sub>7</sub> GAL-''ši'' "If the Raven approaches the star KAL.NE: there will be famine" [ACh Ištar, 24:9; ACh Suppl. 2, 81:3; MA, 134]; it is not clear which luminaries are referred to in this case.		* DIŠ <sup>mul</sup>UG<sub>5</sub>.GA ''ana'' <sup>ul</sup>KAL.NE TE SU.GU<sub>7</sub> GAL-''ši''
			** "If the Raven approaches the star KAL.NE: there will be famine" [ACh Ištar, 24:9; ACh Suppl. 2, 81:3; MA, 134];
			** it is not clear which luminaries are referred to in this case.
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	\|'''MUL.APIN.'''		\|'''MUL.APIN (II iii 32)'''
	* <sup>mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE IB<sub>2</sub>.TAG<sub>4</sub> RU ''ana'' 4 MUL~~<sub>4</sub>~~.~~ME ''ša''~~<~~sub>2</sub> MUL<sub>4</sub~~>.~~MUL<sub>4</sub> TE U URU ḪI<sup>me</sup> "If the star KAL.NE ... (~~and~~) approaches the four stars of the Pleiades: the ruler(?) of the city will be prosperous(?)" (II iii 32) [MA~~, ~~112]~~.		In the new edition of MUL.APIN<ref>Hunger, H. and Steele, J. M. (2018). The Babylonian Astronomical Compendium MUL.APIN, Routledge, NY</ref> this line reads:
	~~This is the only text known to us that speaks as if there were 4 stars within Pleiades, where in which we would usually speculate 7 stars, see~~ (~~Kurtik m35~~) ~~[[MUL~~.~~MUL]]. In the new edition of~~ MUL.APIN this line ~~looks different~~:

	* DIŠ <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>KAL.NE IB<sub>2</sub>.TAG<sub>4</sub> RU ana 4 MUL<sub>5</sub>.ME šá <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>AŠ.IKU TE U URU GAM.ME "If the star KAL.NE ... (and) approaches the 4 stars of the Field (var.: Stars - “stars” or “star cluster”?): the ruler of the city will die" [Hunger-Steele 2018, 158-9]. The determinative mul<sub>5</sub> here corresponds to mul<sub>4</sub>.		* DIŠ <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>KAL.NE IB<sub>2</sub>.TAG<sub>4</sub> RU ana 4 MUL<sub>5</sub>.ME šá <sup>mul<sub>5</sub></sup>AŠ.IKU TE U URU GAM.ME
			** "If the star KAL.NE ... (and) approaches the 4 stars of the Field (var.: Stars - “stars” or “star cluster”?): the ruler of the city will die" [Hunger-Steele 2018, 158-9].
			** The determinative mul<sub>5</sub> here corresponds to mul<sub>4</sub>.
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WayneHorowitz at 12:57, 7 August 2025

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	<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot how this name is to be read~~, but~~ the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.		<sup>ul / mul<sub>4</sub></sup>KAL.NE (𒌌𒆗𒉈). This asterism is known from two omens, one of which is included in the series MUL.APIN. Given that both signs KAL and NE have numerous readings, we cannot how this name is to be read writings with the star-determinatives and the context in MUL.APIN, in a sequence of omens for constellations and planets, indicates that <sup>ul / mul</sup>KAL.NE must belong to this same general category.
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