LU.LIM - Revision history

Sushoff at 16:28, 26 March 2026

2026-03-26T16:28:17Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:28, 26 March 2026
Line 1:		Line 1:
	Authors: ~~Gennady E. Kurtik,~~ {{PAGEAUTHORS}}~~, Euin Choung Kim~~		Authors: {{PAGEAUTHORS}}
	----		----
	[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]		[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]

Sushoff at 08:08, 17 January 2026

2026-01-17T08:08:08Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 08:08, 17 January 2026
Line 1:		Line 1:
	Authors: Gennady E. Kurtik, {{PAGEAUTHORS}}		Authors: Gennady E. Kurtik, {{PAGEAUTHORS}}, Euin Choung Kim
	----		----
	[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]		[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]

Sushoff at 07:10, 17 January 2026

2026-01-17T07:10:43Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 07:10, 17 January 2026
Line 1:		Line 1:
			Authors: Gennady E. Kurtik, {{PAGEAUTHORS}}
			----
	[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]		[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]
	<sup>mul / d</sup>LU.LIM (𒀯𒇻𒅆) = ''lulīmu'', 'The Stag,' is a multi-star constellation including stars belonging to the constellation Andromeda. A number of named asterisms comprise the constellation including its breast, kidney, and an element PA.SI which has yet to be fully understood.		<sup>mul / d</sup>LU.LIM (𒀯𒇻𒅆) = ''lulīmu'', 'The Stag,' is a multi-star constellation including stars belonging to the constellation Andromeda. A number of named asterisms comprise the constellation including its breast, kidney, and an element PA.SI which has yet to be fully understood.

Sushoff: /* Additional */

2025-12-17T19:27:37Z

Additional

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:27, 17 December 2025
Line 235:		Line 235:
	===Additional===		===Additional===

	==== ~~II.~~ Deity. ====		==== Deity. ====
	For what is almost certainly Venus as a morning-star described as a lu-lim in the Sumerian literary work A Message of Lu-dingirra 22-23 to his mother, see https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section5/c551.htm.		For what is almost certainly Venus as a morning-star described as a lu-lim in the Sumerian literary work A Message of Lu-dingirra 22-23 to his mother, see https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section5/c551.htm.



	Almost nothing is known about the ritual and divine status of the Stag as a divinity or asterism. Stags are common animals in Ancient Mesopotamian texts and even occurs as a royal name in the antediluvian portion of the Sumerian King List (Jacobsen 1939, 70 71: 3-4).		Almost nothing is known about the ritual and divine status of the Stag as a divinity or asterism. Stags are common animals in Ancient Mesopotamian texts and even occurs as a royal name in the antediluvian portion of the Sumerian King List (Jacobsen 1939, 70 71: 3-4).
Line 244:		Line 242:
	<s>The Stag is rarely mentioned in Sumerian literature [Heimpel 1968, 249-250]. The name lu.lim as a royal name is given in the pre-Flood era of the Sumerian King List [Jacobsen 1939, 70-71:3-4]. Among the royal epithets of the first millennium BC: ''lu-li-mu eršu'' "wise Stag" (Sennacherib), ''lu-li-mu šūpû'' "glorious Stag" (Nabonidus) [CAD L, 241a].</s> The identifications with Enmesharra and Saturn and the connection with the Pleiades (and through their intermediary with the Seven Gods) have, apparently, a rather late origin and do not give anything for understanding the early history of this constellation.		<s>The Stag is rarely mentioned in Sumerian literature [Heimpel 1968, 249-250]. The name lu.lim as a royal name is given in the pre-Flood era of the Sumerian King List [Jacobsen 1939, 70-71:3-4]. Among the royal epithets of the first millennium BC: ''lu-li-mu eršu'' "wise Stag" (Sennacherib), ''lu-li-mu šūpû'' "glorious Stag" (Nabonidus) [CAD L, 241a].</s> The identifications with Enmesharra and Saturn and the connection with the Pleiades (and through their intermediary with the Seven Gods) have, apparently, a rather late origin and do not give anything for understanding the early history of this constellation.

	==== ~~III.~~ Symbol. ====		==== Symbol. ====
	Stag. Numerous images of Stag (stags) are found on seals of the 3rd millennium B.C. However, it is not known whether they have an astral meaning.		Stag. Numerous images of Stag (stags) are found on seals of the 3rd millennium B.C. However, it is not known whether they have an astral meaning.

	==== ~~IV.~~ Identification. ====		==== Previous Identification. ====
	Constellation:		Constellation:

Line 268:		Line 266:
	= α, β, γ, δ Cassiopeiae (VAT 16436:4) [ASM, 88].		= α, β, γ, δ Cassiopeiae (VAT 16436:4) [ASM, 88].

	==== V. Parts of the constellation and individual stars. ====		==== Parts of the constellation and individual stars. ====
	(1) SI <sup>mul</sup>LU.LIM "Horn of the Stag." [SpTU I, 95:7].		(1) SI <sup>mul</sup>LU.LIM "Horn of the Stag." [SpTU I, 95:7].

Line 285:		Line 283:
	(8) GIR<sub>3</sub> 15 <sup>mul</sup>LU.LIM 'the right leg of the Stag', see (Kurtik u06) [[UD.KA.DU8.A\|UD.KA.DU<sub>8</sub>.A]], VI 10.		(8) GIR<sub>3</sub> 15 <sup>mul</sup>LU.LIM 'the right leg of the Stag', see (Kurtik u06) [[UD.KA.DU8.A\|UD.KA.DU<sub>8</sub>.A]], VI 10.

	==== ~~VI.~~ Astrology. ====		==== Astrology. ====

	===== Identifications: =====		===== Identifications: =====

Sushoff at 17:32, 12 December 2025

2025-12-12T17:32:19Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:32, 12 December 2025
Line 392:		Line 392:
	[[Category:Constellation]]		[[Category:Constellation]]
	[[Category:And]][[Category:Cas]]		[[Category:And]][[Category:Cas]]

	~~[[Category:4workWayne]]~~

Sushoff at 17:32, 12 December 2025

2025-12-12T17:32:06Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:32, 12 December 2025
Line 1:		Line 1:
	[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]		[[File:LULIM messenger of MULMUL.jpg\|thumb\|The Stag (very roughly known area) above the horizon when the Pleiades rise]]
	<sup>mul / d</sup>LU.LIM (𒀯𒇻𒅆) = ''lulīmu'', 'The Stag,' is a multi-star constellation including stars belonging to the constellation Andromeda. A number of named asterisms comprise the constellation including its breast, kidney, and an element PA.SI which has yet to be fully understood.		<sup>mul / d</sup>LU.LIM (𒀯𒇻𒅆) = ''lulīmu'', 'The Stag,' is a multi-star constellation including stars belonging to the constellation Andromeda. A number of named asterisms comprise the constellation including its breast, kidney, and an element PA.SI which has yet to be fully understood.
	==Concordance, Etymology, History==		==Concordance, Etymology, History<ref>[[Mesopotamian (All Terms)\|Planetarium Babylonicum 2.0]], All Skies Encyclopaedia.</ref>==
	~~===Krebernik (2023)===~~
	~~LU.LIM = ''lulimmu'' “stag”.~~ <~~sup>mul</sup~~>~~LU.LIM~~ (~~EN 30r, 31l, 32l~~). ~~ÉLLAG <sup>mul</sup>LU~~.~~LIM “kidney of the stag” (EN 32l). GABA <sup>mul~~</~~sup~~>~~LU.LIM “breast of the stag” (EN 31l).~~
	~~===Kurtik with Hilder, Hoffmann, Horowitz, Kim=~~==
	Var. reading:		Var. reading:

	* <sup>mul</sup>''lu-lim'';		* LU.LIM = ''lulimmu''
			* <sup>mul</sup>''lu-lim'';
	* <sup>(mul)</sup>''Lulīmu'' (𒀯𒇻𒇷𒈬)," Stag"; the syllabic entry is found in the Urra XXII lexical series;		* <sup>(mul)</sup>''Lulīmu'' (𒀯𒇻𒇷𒈬)," Stag"; the syllabic entry is found in the Urra XXII lexical series;

Line 14:		Line 12:
	* 1) constellation in the area of [[Andromeda]] and central [[Cassiopeia]],		* 1) constellation in the area of [[Andromeda]] and central [[Cassiopeia]],
	* 2) = ''ziqpu'' XII, a group of stars in Cassiopeia [G. 248].		* 2) = ''ziqpu'' XII, a group of stars in Cassiopeia [G. 248].
			* 3) ÉLLAG <sup>mul</sup>LU.LIM “kidney of the stag”<ref name=":0">Hoffmann, S. M. and Krebernik, M. (2023). What do deities tell us about the celestial positioning system, in: R. Rollinger, I. Madreiter, M. Lang, C. Pappi (eds.). The Intellectual Heritage of the Ancient Near East, Papers held at the 64th Rencontre Assyriologique International and 12th Melammu Symposium July 16-20 2018, Innsbruck. Austrian Academy of Sciences Press, 539-579</ref>
			* 4) GABA <sup>mul</sup>LU.LIM “breast of the stag”<ref name=":0" />

	==== Sources and Identification(s) ====		==== Sources and Identification(s) ====

Sushoff at 21:19, 3 December 2025

2025-12-03T21:19:33Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:19, 3 December 2025
Line 391:		Line 391:
	[[Category:Cuneiform]]		[[Category:Cuneiform]]
	[[Category:Constellation]]		[[Category:Constellation]]
			[[Category:And]][[Category:Cas]]

	[[Category:4workWayne]]		[[Category:4workWayne]]

YoulaAzkarrula: /* Stars within the Constellation Area */

2025-12-01T15:04:08Z

Stars within the Constellation Area

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:04, 1 December 2025
Line 89:		Line 89:
	\|		\|
	\|}		\|}
			[[File:LULIM CH Screenshot 2025-11-30 130208.png\|thumb\|Convex Hull for the stars inside LU.LIM (CC BY Youla Azkarrula).]]

	====Stars within the Constellation Area====		====Stars within the Constellation Area====
Line 103:		Line 104:
	\|[[Nembus]]		\|[[Nembus]]
	\|HIP 7607		\|HIP 7607
	\|~~within constellation~~ lines		\|Constellation lines (Vertex)
	\|3.57		\|3.57
	\|-		\|-
Line 109:		Line 110:
	\| [[Titawin]]		\| [[Titawin]]
	\|HIP 7513		\|HIP 7513
	\|~~within constellation~~ lines		\|Constellation lines (Vertex)
	\|4.1		\|4.1
	\|-		\|-
Line 121:		Line 122:
	\|[[Rasalnaqa]]		\|[[Rasalnaqa]]
	\|HIP 116631		\|HIP 116631
	\|~~within constellation~~ lines		\|Constellation lines (Vertex)
	\| 4.29		\| 4.29
	\|-		\|-

Sushoff at 16:06, 23 November 2025

2025-11-23T16:06:18Z

@@ Line 15: / Line 15: @@
 * 2) = ''ziqpu'' XII, a group of stars in Cassiopeia [G. 248].
 {| class="wikitable"
 |+
@@ Line 89: / Line 90: @@
 |}
 ===Additional===

WayneHorowitz: /* II. Deity. */

2025-09-04T10:28:31Z

II. Deity.

← Older revision		Revision as of 10:28, 4 September 2025
Line 95:		Line 95:


	Almost nothing is known about the ritual and divine status of the Stag. <s>The Stag is rarely mentioned in Sumerian literature [Heimpel 1968, 249-250]. The name lu.lim as a royal name is given in the pre-Flood era of the Sumerian King List [Jacobsen 1939, 70-71:3-4]. Among the royal epithets of the first millennium BC: ''lu-li-mu eršu'' "wise Stag" (Sennacherib), ''lu-li-mu šūpû'' "glorious Stag" (Nabonidus) [CAD L, 241a].</s> The identifications with Enmesharra and Saturn and the connection with the Pleiades (and through their intermediary with the Seven Gods) have, apparently, a rather late origin and do not give anything for understanding the early history of this constellation.
			Almost nothing is known about the ritual and divine status of the Stag as a divinity or asterism. Stags are common animals in Ancient Mesopotamian texts and even occurs as a royal name in the antediluvian portion of the Sumerian King List (Jacobsen 1939, 70 71: 3-4).

			<s>The Stag is rarely mentioned in Sumerian literature [Heimpel 1968, 249-250]. The name lu.lim as a royal name is given in the pre-Flood era of the Sumerian King List [Jacobsen 1939, 70-71:3-4]. Among the royal epithets of the first millennium BC: ''lu-li-mu eršu'' "wise Stag" (Sennacherib), ''lu-li-mu šūpû'' "glorious Stag" (Nabonidus) [CAD L, 241a].</s> The identifications with Enmesharra and Saturn and the connection with the Pleiades (and through their intermediary with the Seven Gods) have, apparently, a rather late origin and do not give anything for understanding the early history of this constellation.

	==== III. Symbol. ====		==== III. Symbol. ====