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	[[File:AncientEridu ArtistImpression.jpg\|thumb\|ancient Eridu, artist impression (CC0, Original image by Таис Гило, public domain).]]		[[File:AncientEridu ArtistImpression.jpg\|thumb\|ancient Eridu, artist impression (CC0, Original image by Таис Гило, public domain).]]
	[[File:Kuphar Quffa Baghdad 1914.jpg\|thumb\|Kuphar/Quffa Baghdad 1914 (CC0). This is how a river boat/ the Ark is described ([[wikipedia:Finkel's_replica_of_Babylonian_ark\|Finkel's reconstruction]]). ]]
	Based on very early sources that pre-date MUL.APIN, Crossen (2015) argues that <sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> originally, around 2000 BCE, was a huge constellation. According to him, it was a huge river boat in which the god Pabilsang (and perhaps some priests) sailed the Euphrates for ritual processions. At that time, the stars that are seen as the goat-head of Capricornus would have been the figurehead at the prow of this ship.		Based on very early sources that pre-date MUL.APIN, Crossen (2015) argues that <sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> originally, around 2000 BCE, was a huge constellation. According to him, it was a huge river boat in which the god Pabilsang (and perhaps some priests) sailed the Euphrates for ritual processions. At that time, the stars that are seen as the goat-head of Capricornus would have been the figurehead at the prow of this ship.

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	cf. Laursen 2021 for sea-faring ships suggestive of the shape of the waxing Moon.		cf. Laursen 2021 for sea-faring ships suggestive of the shape of the waxing Moon.

	Dilmun Boat shaped votive bowls for the Moon-god Nanna?		Dilmun Boat shaped votive bowls for the Moon-god Nanna?<gallery>
			File:Gypsum Relief of Gardens of Nineveh, North Palace, Nineveh, Iraq, 645-635 BC.jpg\|'''Gypsum Relief of Gardens of Nineveh, North Palace, Nineveh, Iraq'''
			File:Rieten boot relief nineveh palace.jpg\|'''Rieten boot relief nineveh palace'''
			File:Quffah ancMesopot.jpg\|ancient versus modern Quffah (CC BY Ensar Adıgüzel: both images CC0)
			File:Kuphar Quffa Baghdad 1914.jpg\|'''Quffa Baghdad 1914 (CC0)'''
			File:Guffa on the Tigris, Baghdad, 1932.jpg\|'''Guffa on the Tigris, Baghdad, 1932'''
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	==== Original Images of Boats/ Ships ====		==== Original Images of Boats/ Ships ====

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			<youtube align=right>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqBQKHl5PeA‎</youtube>
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	cf. Laursen 2021 for sea-faring ships suggestive of the shape of the waxing Moon.		cf. Laursen 2021 for sea-faring ships suggestive of the shape of the waxing Moon.

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	Based on very early sources that pre-date MUL.APIN, Crossen (2015) argues that <sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> originally, around 2000 BCE, was a huge constellation. According to him, it was a huge river boat in which the god Pabilsang (and perhaps some priests) sailed the Euphrates for ritual processions. At that time, the stars that are seen as the goat-head of Capricornus would have been the figurehead at the prow of this ship.		Based on very early sources that pre-date MUL.APIN, Crossen (2015) argues that <sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> originally, around 2000 BCE, was a huge constellation. According to him, it was a huge river boat in which the god Pabilsang (and perhaps some priests) sailed the Euphrates for ritual processions. At that time, the stars that are seen as the goat-head of Capricornus would have been the figurehead at the prow of this ship.

	In contrast, the circular zodiac in Dendera from Ptolemaic Era (1st century BCE) that displays the Babylonian zodiac constellations (while the rest of the uranography is mixed with Egyptian and Greek figures): there, the Boat is only a small barge beneath the front legs of Sagittarius, not even extending to his rear legs.		In contrast, the circular zodiac in Dendera from Ptolemaic Era (1st century BCE) that displays the Babylonian zodiac constellations (while the rest of the uranography is mixed with Egyptian and Greek figures): there, the Boat is only a small barge beneath the front legs of Sagittarius, not even extending to his rear legs. (cf. Egyptian constellation [[Wia]], The Boat)

	For MUL.APIN, which dates around or short before 1000 BCE, we painted the god Pabilsang (Sagittarius) standing in the boat, which is meant as a compromise between these two extremes (much bigger around 2000 BCE, much smaller around 50 BCE). <gallery>		For MUL.APIN, which dates around or short before 1000 BCE, we painted the god Pabilsang (Sagittarius) standing in the boat, which is meant as a compromise between these two extremes (much bigger around 2000 BCE, much smaller around 50 BCE). <gallery>

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	For MUL.APIN, which dates around or short before 1000 BCE, we painted the god Pabilsang (Sagittarius) standing in the boat, which is meant as a compromise between these two extremes (much bigger around 2000 BCE, much smaller around 50 BCE). <gallery>		For MUL.APIN, which dates around or short before 1000 BCE, we painted the god Pabilsang (Sagittarius) standing in the boat, which is meant as a compromise between these two extremes (much bigger around 2000 BCE, much smaller around 50 BCE). <gallery>
	File:MAGUR8 Stellarium sumer.jpg\|~~MA2~~.~~GUR8~~ as huge, long river boat with figurehead in Sumer ~2300 BCE (Crossen 2015): CC BY SMH.		File:MAGUR8 Stellarium sumer.jpg\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> as huge, long river boat with figurehead in Sumer ~2300 BCE (Crossen 2015): CC BY SMH.
	File:MAGUR8 Stellarium mulapin.jpg\|~~MA2~~.~~GUR8~~ as long river boat in MUL.APIN ~1100 BCE (Gullberg et al. 2022): CC BY SMH.		File:MAGUR8 Stellarium mulapin.jpg\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> as long river boat in MUL.APIN ~1100 BCE (Gullberg et al. 2022): CC BY SMH.
	File:MAGUR8 Stellarium dendera.jpg\|~~MA2~~.~~GUR8~~ as small river boat, quffah, in Dendera 50 BCE CC BY SMH.		File:MAGUR8 Stellarium dendera.jpg\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> as small river boat, quffah, in Dendera 50 BCE CC BY SMH.
	File:MAGUR8 Stellarium GIF.gif\|animater version of these three constellation versions (CC BY SMH)		File:MAGUR8 Stellarium GIF.gif\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> - animater version of these three constellation versions (CC BY SMH)
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	In contrast, the circular zodiac in Dendera from Ptolemaic Era (1st century BCE) that displays the Babylonian zodiac constellations (while the rest of the uranography is mixed with Egyptian and Greek figures): there, the Boat is only a small barge beneath the front legs of Sagittarius, not even extending to his rear legs.		In contrast, the circular zodiac in Dendera from Ptolemaic Era (1st century BCE) that displays the Babylonian zodiac constellations (while the rest of the uranography is mixed with Egyptian and Greek figures): there, the Boat is only a small barge beneath the front legs of Sagittarius, not even extending to his rear legs.

	For MUL.APIN, which dates around or short before 1000 BCE, we painted the god Pabilsang (Sagittarius) standing in the boat, which is meant as a compromise between these two extremes (much bigger around 2000 BCE, much smaller around 50 BCE).		For MUL.APIN, which dates around or short before 1000 BCE, we painted the god Pabilsang (Sagittarius) standing in the boat, which is meant as a compromise between these two extremes (much bigger around 2000 BCE, much smaller around 50 BCE). <gallery>
			File:MAGUR8 Stellarium sumer.jpg\|MA2.GUR8 as huge, long river boat with figurehead in Sumer ~2300 BCE (Crossen 2015): CC BY SMH.
			File:MAGUR8 Stellarium mulapin.jpg\|MA2.GUR8 as long river boat in MUL.APIN ~1100 BCE (Gullberg et al. 2022): CC BY SMH.
			File:MAGUR8 Stellarium dendera.jpg\|MA2.GUR8 as small river boat, quffah, in Dendera 50 BCE CC BY SMH.
			File:MAGUR8 Stellarium GIF.gif\|animater version of these three constellation versions (CC BY SMH)
			</gallery>

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	[[Category:Constellation]]		[[Category:Constellation]]
	[[Category:Sgr]] [[Category:Cap]] [[Category:CrA]]		[[Category:Sgr]] [[Category:Cap]] [[Category:CrA]]

	~~[[Category:4workWayne]]~~

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	[[File:NeoAssyrian Ship WallPanel Nineveh.png\|thumb\|Neo-Assyrian Ship,Wall Panel from Nineveh (British Museum: BM 124774,a; [https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1851-0902-22-a?selectedImageId=1261294001 online])]]		[[File:NeoAssyrian Ship WallPanel Nineveh.png\|thumb\|Neo-Assyrian Ship,Wall Panel from Nineveh (British Museum: BM 124774,a; [https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1851-0902-22-a?selectedImageId=1261294001 online])]]
			[[File:Quffah ancMesopot.jpg\|thumb\|ancient versus modern Quffah (CC BY Ensar Adıgüzel: both images CC0)]]
	<sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> (𒀯𒈣𒋽) = ''makurru,''<nowiki/>'the Barge' is a Mesopotamian asterism that is shaped like a river-barge in the area of [[Sagittarius]] and [[Corona Australis]] in the southern part of the Mesopotamian sky. Its shape can be verified by depictions of such barges in artwork, which show that both the prow and the bow of the barge might be pointed upwards at both ends, or decorated with a figurehead at the prow (at least in early times)<ref>Crossen, C. (2015) “The Very Ancient Origins of the Water Constellations”, Sky and Telescope, vol. 129, no. 3, p. 36.</ref>. The term is also used in astronomy for the gibbous Moon (CAD<ref>''The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.'' Chicago - Glückstadt, 1956 -...</ref> M<sub>I</sub> 142)'''''.'''''		<sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> (𒀯𒈣𒋽) = ''makurru,''<nowiki/>'the Barge' is a Mesopotamian asterism that is shaped like a river-barge in the area of [[Sagittarius]] and [[Corona Australis]] in the southern part of the Mesopotamian sky. Its shape can be verified by depictions of such barges in artwork, which show that both the prow and the bow of the barge might be pointed upwards at both ends, or decorated with a figurehead at the prow (at least in early times)<ref>Crossen, C. (2015) “The Very Ancient Origins of the Water Constellations”, Sky and Telescope, vol. 129, no. 3, p. 36.</ref>. The term is also used in astronomy for the gibbous Moon (CAD<ref>''The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.'' Chicago - Glückstadt, 1956 -...</ref> M<sub>I</sub> 142)'''''.'''''

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			[[File:NeoAssyrian Ship WallPanel Nineveh.png\|thumb\|Neo-Assyrian Ship,Wall Panel from Nineveh (British Museum: BM 124774,a; [https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1851-0902-22-a?selectedImageId=1261294001 online])]]
	<sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> (𒀯𒈣𒋽) = ''makurru,''<nowiki/>'the Barge' is a Mesopotamian asterism that is shaped like a river-barge in the area of [[Sagittarius]] and [[Corona Australis]] in the southern part of the Mesopotamian sky. Its shape can be verified by depictions of such barges in artwork, which show that both the prow and the bow of the barge might be pointed upwards at both ends, or decorated with a figurehead at the prow (at least in early times)<ref>Crossen, C. (2015) “The Very Ancient Origins of the Water Constellations”, Sky and Telescope, vol. 129, no. 3, p. 36.</ref>. The term is also used in astronomy for the gibbous Moon (CAD<ref>''The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.'' Chicago - Glückstadt, 1956 -...</ref> M<sub>I</sub> 142)'''''.'''''		<sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> (𒀯𒈣𒋽) = ''makurru,''<nowiki/>'the Barge' is a Mesopotamian asterism that is shaped like a river-barge in the area of [[Sagittarius]] and [[Corona Australis]] in the southern part of the Mesopotamian sky. Its shape can be verified by depictions of such barges in artwork, which show that both the prow and the bow of the barge might be pointed upwards at both ends, or decorated with a figurehead at the prow (at least in early times)<ref>Crossen, C. (2015) “The Very Ancient Origins of the Water Constellations”, Sky and Telescope, vol. 129, no. 3, p. 36.</ref>. The term is also used in astronomy for the gibbous Moon (CAD<ref>''The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.'' Chicago - Glückstadt, 1956 -...</ref> M<sub>I</sub> 142)'''''.'''''

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	[[File:AncientEridu ArtistImpression.jpg\|thumb\|ancient Eridu, artist impression (CC0, Original image by Таис Гило, public domain).]]		[[File:AncientEridu ArtistImpression.jpg\|thumb\|ancient Eridu, artist impression (CC0, Original image by Таис Гило, public domain).]]
	[[File:Kuphar Quffa Baghdad 1914.jpg\|thumb\|Kuphar/Quffa Baghdad 1914 (CC0). This is how a river boat/ the Ark is described. ]]		[[File:Kuphar Quffa Baghdad 1914.jpg\|thumb\|Kuphar/Quffa Baghdad 1914 (CC0). This is how a river boat/ the Ark is described ([[wikipedia:Finkel's_replica_of_Babylonian_ark\|Finkel's reconstruction]]). ]]
	Based on very early sources that pre-date MUL.APIN, Crossen (2015) argues that <sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> originally, around 2000 BCE, was a huge constellation. According to him, it was a huge river boat in which the god Pabilsang (and perhaps some priests) sailed the Euphrates for ritual processions. At that time, the stars that are seen as the goat-head of Capricornus would have been the figurehead at the prow of this ship.		Based on very early sources that pre-date MUL.APIN, Crossen (2015) argues that <sup>mul</sup>MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub> originally, around 2000 BCE, was a huge constellation. According to him, it was a huge river boat in which the god Pabilsang (and perhaps some priests) sailed the Euphrates for ritual processions. At that time, the stars that are seen as the goat-head of Capricornus would have been the figurehead at the prow of this ship.