https://ase.exopla.net/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AHonores_FridericiTalk:Honores Friderici - Revision history2026-04-14T10:40:02ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.1https://ase.exopla.net/index.php?title=Talk:Honores_Friderici&diff=26306&oldid=prevEricmamajek: disconnect between Honores Frederici and Sceptrum Regium & Justitiae Manus2025-04-17T03:50:07Z<p>disconnect between Honores Frederici and Sceptrum Regium & Justitiae Manus</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>"This obsolete constellation was invented in France, but became more famous after a renaming in Prussia." - from the discussion of Honores Frederici in Barentine's "The Lost Constellations", although Honores Frederici (from Bode, 1787) and Sceptrum Regium & Justitiae Manus (from Royer, 1679) have similarities, and Honores Frederici is probably a rip off or rebranding of the other - there seems to be both a historical and cartographic disconnect, and it seems as though other famous French astronomers in Bode's time did not seem to mention it in the responses to Bode (see Barentine's quotes from Lalande and Mechain). Looking at the maps of the two constellations, Sceptrum Regium & Justitiae Manus basically occupies Lacerta, whereas most of Honores Frederic was in Andromeda. <br />
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So I think the text should not start off with the incorrect statement that the "obsolete constellation was invented in France". The stars occupied different areas (despite being of similar forms, and in vicinity of one another), but it does not seem to be a simple case of Bode rebranding Royer's constellation with honoring a royal of a different nation.</div>Ericmamajek