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Ericmamajek: /* IAU WGSN star name discussion */

2026-08-13T06:05:28Z

IAU WGSN star name discussion

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	* Heryabwja		* Heryabwja
	* Heryibwia		* Heryibwia
	* ...		In 2026, the name "Heryib Wia" was proposed to WGSN for the star η Sgr (HR 6832, HD 167618, HIP 89642), a red giant (spectral type M2III) star with apparent magnitude V=3.10 at distance 42 parsecs. The star is the primary of a multiple star system (WDS J18176-3646, BU 760), and the faint (8th magnitude) companion η Sgr B (HD 167618 B) lies about 3.5 arcseconds away. The name would apply to the primary star.

	== Weblinks ==		== Weblinks ==

	* ~~{{NAMESPACE}}~~		* https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=eta+Sgr

	== References ==		== References ==

Sushoff: /* IAU WGSN star name discussion */

2026-08-10T17:10:54Z

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	* ~~Heyib~~ Wia		* Heryib Wia
	* ~~Heyabwja~~		* Heryabwja
	* ~~Heyibwia~~		* Heryibwia
	* ...		* ...

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	== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==		== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==
	The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so I do not ~~see~~ appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to [[Kaus Australis]] without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas). In case of this name, Lull, Belmonte, and Leitz agree that it must be in Sagittarius.		The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so we do not find it appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to [[Kaus Australis]] without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas). In case of this name, Lull, Belmonte, and Leitz agree that it must be in Sagittarius.

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Sushoff at 16:45, 10 August 2026

2026-08-10T16:45:20Z

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	[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia inSenenmut lull.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat of Wja+Knmw in the tomb of Senenmut (Lull 2018<ref name=":0" />).]]		[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia inSenenmut lull.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat of Wja+Knmw in the tomb of Senenmut (Lull 2018<ref name=":0" />).]]
	[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia Boat+Decans Karakhamun ElenaPischikova+MiguelAMolinero.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat and Decans in tomb of Karakhamun (CC BY Elena Pischikova and Miguel A. Molinero, in Lull 2018).]]		[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia Boat+Decans Karakhamun ElenaPischikova+MiguelAMolinero.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat and Decans in tomb of Karakhamun (CC BY Elena Pischikova and Miguel A. Molinero, in Lull 2018).]]
	Wia (wỉʒ), The Boat, is an Egyptian constellation.<ref name=":0">José Lull (2018). Ancient Egyptian constellation of WjA (Boat) and its link to Sagittarius in the Ptolemaic and Roman era. ''Aula Orientalis'' 36/2, 257-277 </ref> It forms a super-constellation with its Crew, [[Kemenu]]. It is current consensus that the star "in the middle of Wja" is in [[Sagittarius]].		Wia (wỉʒ), The Boat, is an Egyptian constellation.<ref name=":0">José Lull (2018). Ancient Egyptian constellation of WjA (Boat) and its link to Sagittarius in the Ptolemaic and Roman era. ''Aula Orientalis'' 36/2, 257-277 </ref> It forms a super-constellation with its Crew, [[Kemenu\|Kenemu]]. It is current consensus that the star "in the middle of Wja" is in [[Sagittarius]].

	==Concordance, Etymology, History==		==Concordance, Etymology, History==

Sushoff: /* Concordance, Etymology, History */

2026-08-10T16:38:21Z

Concordance, Etymology, History

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	==Concordance, Etymology, History==		==Concordance, Etymology, History==
	~~What does the term mean, does it always have the same meaning - was it changed over time.~~		'''Variants:'''

	Variants:

	* Wia		* Wia

Sushoff at 08:59, 10 July 2026

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	=== Origin of Constellation ===		=== Origin of Constellation ===
	The original Egyptian constellation of Wia, the Boat, was huge, stretching from eastern [[Libra]] through [[Scorpius]] through [[Sagittarius]]. Wia is huge in RA (covering several hours) as proven by the decan diagonal clocks ~~and celestial~~ diagrams (see Fig. 4.10 in Belmonte & Lull 2023). This is also illustrated in Fig. 4.41.		The original Egyptian constellation of Wia, the Boat, was huge, stretching from eastern [[Libra]] through [[Scorpius]] through [[Sagittarius]]. Wia is huge in RA (covering several hours) as proven by the decan diagonal clocks and celestial diagrams (see Fig. 4.10 in Belmonte & Lull 2023). This is also illustrated in Fig. 4.41.

	In the decan diagonal clocks and in the celestial diagrams of NK there is a clear decan named Hery-ib-Wia, which means The Core/Middle of the Boat. Leitz (1995) identifies it with Nunki (σ Sgr) or τ Sgr, while Belmonte and Lull (2023) strongly believe this is [[Kaus Australis]] (ε Sgr). In any case, as a rough estimate the middle of Sagittarius, where the teapot is usually seen, seems to be consensus.		In the decan diagonal clocks and in the celestial diagrams of NK there is a clear decan named Hery-ib-Wia, which means The Core/Middle of the Boat. Leitz (1995, 90)<ref>Leitz, Ch., 1995. Altägyptische Sternuhren. OLA, 62. Leuven: Peeters.</ref> identifies it with [[Nunki]] (σ Sgr) or τ Sgr, while Belmonte and Lull (2023) strongly believe this is [[Kaus Australis]] (ε Sgr). In any case, as a rough estimate, the middle of [[Sagittarius]], where the teapot is usually seen, seems to be consensus.

	In the circular zodiac of the Hathor Temple in Dendera that shows strong Babylonian influences,<ref>Hoffmann, S.M. (2022). Preliminary Observations on the Dendera Zodiac (Egypt). in Hoffmann and Wolfschmidt (eds.). Astronomy in Culture – Cultures of Astronomy, tredition Hamburg/ OpenScienceTechnology Berlin, 524-541</ref> this boat is depicted as tiny barge below the front feet of Sagittarius. This area, roughly in Sgr/ CrA, hosts the Babylonian constellation [[MA2.GUR8\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub>]], The Ship. This Boat at the feet of Sagittarius in the Circular Zodiac can be either Wia, or the parazodiacal Babylonian Boat, rr even both in an abstract or mnemonic representation.		In the circular zodiac of the Hathor Temple in Dendera that shows strong Babylonian influences,<ref>Hoffmann, S.M. (2022). Preliminary Observations on the Dendera Zodiac (Egypt). in Hoffmann and Wolfschmidt (eds.). Astronomy in Culture – Cultures of Astronomy, tredition Hamburg/ OpenScienceTechnology Berlin, 524-541</ref> this boat is depicted as tiny barge below the front feet of Sagittarius. This area, roughly in Sgr/ CrA, hosts the Babylonian constellation [[MA2.GUR8\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub>]], The Ship. This Boat at the feet of Sagittarius in the Circular Zodiac can be either Wia, or the parazodiacal Babylonian Boat, rr even both in an abstract or mnemonic representation.

Sushoff at 07:52, 10 July 2026

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	[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia inSenenmut lull.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat of Wja+Knmw in the tomb of Senenmut (Lull 2018<ref name=":0" />).]]		[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia inSenenmut lull.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat of Wja+Knmw in the tomb of Senenmut (Lull 2018<ref name=":0" />).]]
	[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia Boat+Decans Karakhamun ElenaPischikova+MiguelAMolinero.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat and Decans in tomb of Karakhamun (CC BY Elena Pischikova and Miguel A. Molinero, in Lull 2018).]]		[[File:20182AuOrLull constWia Boat+Decans Karakhamun ElenaPischikova+MiguelAMolinero.jpeg\|thumb\|Boat and Decans in tomb of Karakhamun (CC BY Elena Pischikova and Miguel A. Molinero, in Lull 2018).]]
	Wia (wỉʒ), The Boat, is an Egyptian constellation.<ref name=":0">José Lull (2018). Ancient Egyptian constellation of WjA (Boat) and its link to Sagittarius in the Ptolemaic and Roman era. ''Aula Orientalis'' 36/2, 257-277 </ref> It forms a super-constellation with its Crew, [[Kemenu]].		Wia (wỉʒ), The Boat, is an Egyptian constellation.<ref name=":0">José Lull (2018). Ancient Egyptian constellation of WjA (Boat) and its link to Sagittarius in the Ptolemaic and Roman era. ''Aula Orientalis'' 36/2, 257-277 </ref> It forms a super-constellation with its Crew, [[Kemenu]]. It is current consensus that the star "in the middle of Wja" is in [[Sagittarius]].

	==Concordance, Etymology, History==		==Concordance, Etymology, History==
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	The original Egyptian constellation of Wia, the Boat, was huge, stretching from eastern [[Libra]] through [[Scorpius]] through [[Sagittarius]]. Wia is huge in RA (covering several hours) as proven by the decan diagonal clocks and celestial diagrams (see Fig. 4.10 in Belmonte & Lull 2023). This is also illustrated in Fig. 4.41.		The original Egyptian constellation of Wia, the Boat, was huge, stretching from eastern [[Libra]] through [[Scorpius]] through [[Sagittarius]]. Wia is huge in RA (covering several hours) as proven by the decan diagonal clocks and celestial diagrams (see Fig. 4.10 in Belmonte & Lull 2023). This is also illustrated in Fig. 4.41.

	In the decan diagonal clocks and in the celestial diagrams of NK there is a clear decan named Hery-ib-Wia, which ~~meams~~ The Core of the Boat. Belmonte and Lull (2023) strongly believe this is [[Kaus Australis]].		In the decan diagonal clocks and in the celestial diagrams of NK there is a clear decan named Hery-ib-Wia, which means The Core/Middle of the Boat. Leitz (1995) identifies it with Nunki (σ Sgr) or τ Sgr, while Belmonte and Lull (2023) strongly believe this is [[Kaus Australis]] (ε Sgr). In any case, as a rough estimate the middle of Sagittarius, where the teapot is usually seen, seems to be consensus.

	In the circular zodiac of the Hathor Temple in Dendera that shows strong Babylonian influences,<ref>Hoffmann, S.M. (2022). Preliminary Observations on the Dendera Zodiac (Egypt). in Hoffmann and Wolfschmidt (eds.). Astronomy in Culture – Cultures of Astronomy, tredition Hamburg/ OpenScienceTechnology Berlin, 524-541</ref> this boat is depicted as tiny barge below the front feet of Sagittarius. This area, roughly in Sgr/ CrA, hosts the Babylonian constellation [[MA2.GUR8\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub>]], The Ship. This Boat at the feet of Sagittarius in the Circular Zodiac can be either Wia, or the parazodiacal Babylonian Boat, rr even both in an abstract or mnemonic representation		In the circular zodiac of the Hathor Temple in Dendera that shows strong Babylonian influences,<ref>Hoffmann, S.M. (2022). Preliminary Observations on the Dendera Zodiac (Egypt). in Hoffmann and Wolfschmidt (eds.). Astronomy in Culture – Cultures of Astronomy, tredition Hamburg/ OpenScienceTechnology Berlin, 524-541</ref> this boat is depicted as tiny barge below the front feet of Sagittarius. This area, roughly in Sgr/ CrA, hosts the Babylonian constellation [[MA2.GUR8\|MA<sub>2</sub>.GUR<sub>8</sub>]], The Ship. This Boat at the feet of Sagittarius in the Circular Zodiac can be either Wia, or the parazodiacal Babylonian Boat, rr even both in an abstract or mnemonic representation.

	==== Extension of the Boat and Identification of its Decans<ref name=":0" /> ====		==== Extension of the Boat and Identification of its Decans<ref name=":0" /> ====

JuanBelmonte: /* IAU WGSN star name discussion */

2026-07-09T12:58:30Z

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	== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==		== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==
	The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so I do not see appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to [[Kaus Australis]] without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas).		The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so I do not see appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to [[Kaus Australis]] without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas). In case of this name, Lull, Belmonte, and Leitz agree that it must be in Sagittarius.

	Options:		Options:

Sushoff: /* IAU WGSN star name discussion */

2026-07-09T11:00:10Z

IAU WGSN star name discussion

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	== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==		== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==
	The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so I do not see appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to Kaus Australis without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas).		The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so I do not see appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to [[Kaus Australis]] without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas).

	Options:		Options:

Sushoff: /* IAU WGSN star name discussion */

2026-07-09T10:59:36Z

IAU WGSN star name discussion

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	== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==		== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==
	The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so I do not see appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to Kaus Australis without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas).		The name was suggested to WGSN in 2025. Wia is a huge Egyptian constellation as Reret of Nekhet, spreading from Scorpius to Sagittarius, so I do not see appropriate to name a single star after it. Much more appropriate might be Hery-ib-Wia ("In the Middle of the Boat") if we find a star close to Kaus Australis without a name (see Fig 4.1 and Table 4.5 in Belmonte and Lull, 2023, for ideas).

			Options:

			* Heyib Wia
			* Heyabwja
			* Heyibwia
			* ...

	== Weblinks ==		== Weblinks ==