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[[File:Fishing and Fowling, from the Tomb of Ipuy MET eg30.4.120.jpg|thumb|Fishing and Fowling, from the Tomb of Ipuy, Upper Egypt, Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Tomb of Ipuy, TT217 (CC0, Charles Wilkinson); epoch: circa 1279–1213 BCE = New Kingdom, Ramesside = Dynasty 19, Reign: reign of Ramesses II]]
{{Infobox constellation
| name = Qedty
| native = ḳdty
| translation = The Two Nets
| pronounce =
| IPA =
| culture = IAU
| RA = 287.0873737
| dec = -40.49669798
| areatotal = 0
| numbermainstars = 1
| numberbfstars = 1
| numberstarsplanets =
| numberbrightstars = 0
| numbernearbystars =
| brighteststarname = Qedty
| starmagnitude = 4.571
| neareststarname =
| stardistance =
| numbermessierobjects =
| meteorshowers =
| bordering = CrA
| notes =
| cat = IAU-Star Name
}}
Qedty (ḳdty), The Two Nets, one of them would be [[Corona Australis]] is an Egyptian name, used in decan star clocks. Qed and Qedty were not present on RSC which used more appealing constellations further north such as Aped and [[Wia]], respectively, to cover the same RA range.   


[[File:Example.jpg|thumb|Image that shows the earliest map or drawing]]
==Concordance, Etymology, History==
[[File:Example.jpg|thumb|Image that shows the cultural object (e.g. in archaeological museum)]]
[[File:Qed+Qedty Belmonte2003.png|thumb|Qed+Qedty (Belmonte 2003)]]
Qedty (ḳdty), The Two Nets, ... ... is an Egyptian name, used in RSC/ ... .  
Variants
 
* Qed
* Qedty
 
=== Origin of Constellation ===
In the decan star clocks there are two decans called Qed, in singular, and Qedty, in dual. They are far away in RA. One possibly close to [[Pisces]] and before Aret, the other possibly to the South of [[Sagittarius]]. These are mentioned in NK celestial diagrams but never depicted as constellations.


<here comes a short explanation: what is the earliest known occurance, what does it mean in their culture, perhaps were it stems from if e.g. taken over from other roots...>
Qed means net, so Qedty means two nets or a pair of nets, and hence you should be expecting they should have a nearly round, circular or enclosed form.


==Concordance, Etymology, History==
In a complete independent analysis, a tentative interpretation on these two decans was given by Belmonte (2003)<ref>Belmonte, J. A., 2003. The Ramesside star clocks and the ancient Egyptian constellations. In M. Blomberg, P. E. Blomberg and G. Henriksson (Eds.), ''Calendars, Symbols, and Orientations: Legacies of Astronomy in Culture'' (pp. 57–65). ''Uppsala Astronomical Observatory report'', 59. Uppsala Ocarina Books.</ref> in MSAIT on the Decans, and simultaneously on his PUV book on "La Astronomía del antiguo Egipto" by Jose Lull in 2004. Both of us independently coincided in our hypothesis for Qed and Qedty after our analyses because they fit in RA within the errors. The pentagonal head of [[Cetus]] for Qed, and an area south of [[Sagittarius]] in which [[Corona Australis]] (quite circular) would be one of the pair Qedty.
What does the term mean, does it always have the same meaning - was it changed over time.  


=== Origin of Constellation ===
So this, among others, is why we published our 2006 paper in JHA together. Table 4.7 is just a final count of 20 years of discussion and analyses.


=== Transfer and Transformation of the Constellation ===
Leitz (1995) locates Qed in Alpha Andromedae, which is far too north for a decan. 


<gallery>
=== Image Variants of Fishing Nets ===
Example.jpg|ancient manuscript 1
For a depiction in the tomb of Menna (TT 69), Thebes, tp. Amenhotep III, New Kingdom also see Hartwig (2015)<ref>Hartwig, Melinda. (2015). “Style.” In A Companion to Ancient Egyptian Art, edited by Melinda Hartwig, pp. 39-59. Blackwell Companions to Art History Series. Boston & Oxford: Wiley-Blackwell.</ref>.<gallery>
Example.jpg|modern mapping by author XY
File:Fishing with Net (1878) - TIMEA.jpg|A team of men catching fish with a large net. (Weidenbach 1878)
Example.jpg|ancient manuscript 2
File:Fishing and Fowling, from the Tomb of Ipuy MET eg30.4.120.jpg|Fishing and Fowling, from the Tomb of Ipuy (Ramses II)
Example.jpg|modern mapping by author AB
File:Tombe-de-Menna.jpg|On this painting adorning the tomb of Menna, a noble scribe during the reign of Amenhotep III (XVIIIth Dynasty), two Nile perches, fish with delicious flesh, are clearly visible. (image citation from [https://lecomptoirgeneral.com/en/magazine/fishing-culture/article/fishing-in-ancient-egypt/ Comptoir]
Example.jpg|something else ...
File:AncientEgyptianRiverBoat fishing.jpg|modern replica for sale, original in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo
</gallery>
</gallery>


== Religion/ Tales/ Mythology ==
== Religion/ Tales/ Mythology ==
mnemonic tales and cultural significance
As far as we know, there is not any mythological or cultural  context for these two decans (asterisms) as we have for many other  Egyptian stars and constellations apart from the utility and hour keepers in diagonal star clocks (which is indeed important).


== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==
== IAU WGSN star name discussion ==
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Latest revision as of 07:14, 19 August 2026

Authors: Susanne M Hoffmann, Juan Antonio Belmonte Avilés, ASE Tech Team

Fishing and Fowling, from the Tomb of Ipuy, Upper Egypt, Thebes, Deir el-Medina, Tomb of Ipuy, TT217 (CC0, Charles Wilkinson); epoch: circa 1279–1213 BCE = New Kingdom, Ramesside = Dynasty 19, Reign: reign of Ramesses II
Qedty
Asterism Info
Native
ḳdty
Translation
The Two Nets
Position (2000)
Right ascension287.0873737
Declination-40.49669798
Area0 sq. deg.
Stars
Bright stars1
Bayer/Flamsteed
stars		1
Stars brighter than 3.00m0
Brightest starQedty (4.571m)
Taxonomy
category
of asterism		IAU-Star Name
IAU-
constellations		CrA

Qedty (ḳdty), The Two Nets, one of them would be Corona Australis is an Egyptian name, used in decan star clocks. Qed and Qedty were not present on RSC which used more appealing constellations further north such as Aped and Wia, respectively, to cover the same RA range.  

Concordance, Etymology, History

Qed+Qedty (Belmonte 2003)

Variants

  • Qed
  • Qedty

Origin of Constellation

In the decan star clocks there are two decans called Qed, in singular, and Qedty, in dual. They are far away in RA. One possibly close to Pisces and before Aret, the other possibly to the South of Sagittarius. These are mentioned in NK celestial diagrams but never depicted as constellations.

Qed means net, so Qedty means two nets or a pair of nets, and hence you should be expecting they should have a nearly round, circular or enclosed form.

In a complete independent analysis, a tentative interpretation on these two decans was given by Belmonte (2003)[1] in MSAIT on the Decans, and simultaneously on his PUV book on "La Astronomía del antiguo Egipto" by Jose Lull in 2004. Both of us independently coincided in our hypothesis for Qed and Qedty after our analyses because they fit in RA within the errors. The pentagonal head of Cetus for Qed, and an area south of Sagittarius in which Corona Australis (quite circular) would be one of the pair Qedty.

So this, among others, is why we published our 2006 paper in JHA together. Table 4.7 is just a final count of 20 years of discussion and analyses.

Leitz (1995) locates Qed in Alpha Andromedae, which is far too north for a decan.

Image Variants of Fishing Nets

For a depiction in the tomb of Menna (TT 69), Thebes, tp. Amenhotep III, New Kingdom also see Hartwig (2015)[2].

  • A team of men catching fish with a large net. (Weidenbach 1878)
    A team of men catching fish with a large net. (Weidenbach 1878)
  • Fishing and Fowling, from the Tomb of Ipuy (Ramses II)
    Fishing and Fowling, from the Tomb of Ipuy (Ramses II)
  • On this painting adorning the tomb of Menna, a noble scribe during the reign of Amenhotep III (XVIIIth Dynasty), two Nile perches, fish with delicious flesh, are clearly visible. (image citation from Comptoir
    On this painting adorning the tomb of Menna, a noble scribe during the reign of Amenhotep III (XVIIIth Dynasty), two Nile perches, fish with delicious flesh, are clearly visible. (image citation from Comptoir
  • modern replica for sale, original in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo
    modern replica for sale, original in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo

Religion/ Tales/ Mythology

As far as we know, there is not any mythological or cultural context for these two decans (asterisms) as we have for many other Egyptian stars and constellations apart from the utility and hour keepers in diagonal star clocks (which is indeed important).

IAU WGSN star name discussion

The name was suggested for a star in CrA in 2023. It is still under discussion.

References

  1. ↑ Belmonte, J. A., 2003. The Ramesside star clocks and the ancient Egyptian constellations. In M. Blomberg, P. E. Blomberg and G. Henriksson (Eds.), Calendars, Symbols, and Orientations: Legacies of Astronomy in Culture (pp. 57–65). Uppsala Astronomical Observatory report, 59. Uppsala Ocarina Books.
  2. ↑ Hartwig, Melinda. (2015). “Style.” In A Companion to Ancient Egyptian Art, edited by Melinda Hartwig, pp. 39-59. Blackwell Companions to Art History Series. Boston & Oxford: Wiley-Blackwell.
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